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2025‐05‐09
Attendance (9): Alastair Campbell, Akash Shukla, Bruce Bailey, Francis Storr, Gundala Numan, Giacomo Petri, Ken Franqueiro, Lori Oakley, Mike Gower, Scott O'Hara
Regrets: Steve Faulkner, Patrick Lauke
- Per email to list, our usual standing agenda.
- A new AG WG review kicked off this week, so we have time to dig into issues a bit more.
- Mike has a couple more Guideline 1.2 related PRs.
- FCPWD for Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.2 to Mobile Applications (WCAG2Mobile) published this week. Please consider setting aside time for your personal or organizational review. We do not plan to provide feedback as a TF.
- Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.1 Updated this week, work which this TF is primarily responsible. Congratulations and thank you!
WCAG 2 Backlog TF review of Label in Name Algorithm #4312 has no additional edits since our previous conversations, but please note recent comment from PR creator
I'd like to thank everyone for the comments in recent weeks. Unfortunately I have been too occupied with other work to respond to them. I hope to have time in late May.
Mike flagged Tweak G13, on-input understanding, F37 #4291 and asks for reviews, since there has been a number of edits since we last discussed as a group.
Mike noted that there is continued and recent discussion for [Tweak understanding for 1.2.3 and 1.2.5 #1790(../pull/]1790).
Conversation on Update synchronized-media.html #4371 as helping to close out some issues from Tweak understanding for 1.2.3 and 1.2.5 #1790 which we have been discussing for a while, mostly in the context of How to add audio descriptions to videos? #1768. Stays in drafted.
Audio description failure technique #4390 is new and would close 1768 (see above). Scott offered to review. We noted that Understanding currently weak on AD techniques. Bruce commented on gap, and volunteered to create new issue for resources, for example The Audio Description Project. A preview of F113 is available. Alastair noted that the attention to Understanding will help WCAG3. Stays in drafted for now.
Relatedly, we also briefly discussed Creating a new sufficient technique using audio ducking to create audio descriptions #3806 request.
Closing out AD related issues, Removed 1.2.7 reference from note 1 #4325 work effort is out of proportion to what might be gained. Mike might give up and close. Remains in Drafted for now.
Flagged Update term "contrast ratio" for SC 1.4.11 #1018 as older PR needed some attention. Stays in drafted.
We discussed Update ARIA11 #1023 Using ARIA landmarks to identify regions of a page which Ken recently reviewed and noted some deprecated language. In particular, the phrasing around "landmark region" seems out of date. Scott has reviewed and thinks it is okay. There could be disconnect between plain meaning of Banner and stricter ARIA terminology. Giacomo asked to open new issue on a related concern he raised. This issue left in Drafted, please take a look so we might advance on next call.
Discussed Add note about transaction-amount to 1.3.5 understanding #4362 that no one on call would fail this, and having a dollar amount carry over from an unrelated transaction would be harmful. There was disagreement from AG WG on making a change. Made syntax fix on call to remove explicit 2.1 reference to numberless version. Bruce to ping Dan or Wilco to request for positive example Understanding might include. Lori volunteered to take another look as well. Remains in drafted.
Discussed Update reading-level.html #4209 and there was concern that it proposes to remove too much. Mike volunteered to review. Stays in drafted.
Correct numbers and formulae for focus area calculations #4366 first discussed a couple of weeks ago and options offered. There are cases where the math in Understanding is not quite correct, rounded corners being one example. But not being able to rely on CSS border property is problematic. On call, we had a strong preference for option two or three rather promote more complicated mathematical formula. Lori asked to add her concern to thread. TF will revisit on future call. Please note that the example before the formula discussion in the Understanding doc does specify borders as sufficient. Stays in drafted.
Expect Change "alternate" to "alternative" #4368 to be addressed on future call, it was a bit in the weeds for the time we had remaining on the call.
Group agreed with sending Add note to 3.3.2 understanding to explain "require" in normative wording #4367 for AG WG approval.
Quickly reviewed Replace incorrect/outdated statement about tech support in 3.3.1 understanding #4355 which we have reviewed previously. Moved to Ready for Approval.
Scott request feedback on Clarification needed: dragging movements and on screen keyboards #3858 Scott asked for feedback on background and clarification he is trying to compose, in particular around using an on-screen keyboard. Goal is to meet the SC, not provide an out. Alastair suggests keeping as concise as possible because it is an edge case.