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# RFC-150: Allow Voting While Delegating

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| **Start Date** | June 5th, 2025 |
| **Description** | Allow voters to simultaneously delegate and vote |
| **Authors** | polka.dom (polkadotdom) |

## Summary

This RFC proposes changes to `pallet-conviction-voting` that allow for simultaneous voting and delegation. For example, Alice could delegate to Bob, then later vote on a referendum while keeping their delegation to Bob intact. It is a strict subset of Leemo's [RFC 35](https://github.com/polkadot-fellows/RFCs/pull/35).

## Motivation

### Backdrop
Under our current voting system, a voter can either vote or delegate. To vote, they must first ensure they have no delegate, and to delegate, they must first clear their current votes.

### The Issue

Empirically, the vast majority of people do not vote on day to day policy. This was foreseen and is the reason governance has delegation. However, more worriedly, it has also been observed that most people do not delegate either, leaving a large percentage of our voting population unrepresented.

### Factors Limiting Delegation

One could think of three major reasons for this lack of delegation.

- The voter does not know of anyone who accurately represents them.
- The voter does not want their right to vote stripped, in consideration of some yet unknown, highly important, referendum.
- The voter does not want to clear their voting data so as to delegate.

This RFC aims to solve the second and third issue and thus more accurately align governance to the true voter preferences.

### An Aside

One may ask, could a voter not just undelegate, vote, then delegate again? Could this just be built into the user interface? Unfortunately, this does not work due to the need to clear their votes before redelegation. In practice the voter would undelegate, vote, wait until the referendum is closed, hope that there's no other referenda they would like to vote on, then redelegate. At best it's a temporally extended friction. At worst the voter goes unrepresented in voting for the duration of the vote clearing period.


## Stakeholders

`Runtime developers`: If runtime developers are relying on the previous assumptions for their [VotingHooks](https://github.com/paritytech/polkadot-sdk/blob/master/substrate/frame/conviction-voting/src/lib.rs#L159) implementations, they will need to rethink their approach. In addition, a runtime migration is needed. Lastly, it is a serious change in governance that requires some consideration beyond the technical.

`App developers`: Apps like Subsquare and Polkassembly would need to update their user interface logic. They will also need to handle the new error.

`Users`: We will want users to be aware of the new functionality, though not required.

`Technical Writers`: This change will require rewrites of documentation and tutorials.

## Explanation

### New Data & Runtime Logic
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Could you please rephrase this entire section. It should explain how the algorithm is working and not how the data structures are looking. It is right now possible to come up with this already, but the RFC is not laying out exactly how it works.

It would be nice to have the logic layed out for the different states, aka delegator voting first, delegate voting first, delegator removing votes etc.

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Okay I've updated the explanation section. Let me know what you think 🙌


The [Voting Enum](https://github.com/paritytech/polkadot-sdk/blob/master/substrate/frame/conviction-voting/src/vote.rs#L225) is first collapsed, as there's no longer a distinction between the variants. Then a `(poll index -> retracted votes count)` data item would be added to the user's voting data stored in [VotingFor](https://github.com/paritytech/polkadot-sdk/blob/master/substrate/frame/conviction-voting/src/lib.rs#L165). This would keep track of the per poll balance that has been clawed back from the user by those delegating to them.
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I would like to have the following edge cases covered here in the document:

  • The delegate votes, the delegator votes as well, the delegate removes their vote, the delegator removes their delegation, the delegate votes again
  • Generally the case of delegator voting on their own, delegate removing their vote and adding it back
  • Delegator voting first and then the delegate

There are probably some other edge cases we need to think of.

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Thank you for the comment. I'll address here and also update the document.

In general these edge cases are handled by the persistence of the poll_index -> retracted_votes state even when the delegate doesn't have a recorded vote for that poll_index. To showcase, let's take a look at the second edge case: The delegator votes -> their vote is added, the retracted vote count is added to their delegate, tally is updated accordingly. Next, the delegate removes their vote -> The vote is removed, tally is updated in accordance with retracted votes, and crucially retracted votes data persists because it is not yet 0. Finally, the delegate adds their vote back -> The new vote can take into account the retracted votes as it has persisted.

The other two cases are similar and I leave up to the reader.

An important note: Because poll_index -> retracted_votes data can persist when there is no vote, it's important that vote removal by delegators also cleans up the delegate's voting state (when retracted votes is 0 and vote is None), otherwise the delegate has no immediate monetary incentive to clean their voting state as no lock is incurred by that data item. Will add this to document as well.

Both of these are handled in the current WIP. The way I've chosen to handle poll_index -> retracted_votes persistence is by bundling that data with the pre-existing vote data tuple and making the actual vote an Option. old vs new. Then the logic just checks that the vote is None and the retracted_votes is 0 before fully removing a vote.

Edit: RFC is updated

Edit 2: Unit tests are up. The cases pointed out by Basti above can be found here


All changes to pallet-conviction-voting's STF would follow that simple change. For example, when a user votes standard, the final amount added to the poll's tally will be `balance + (amount delegated to user - retracted votes)`. Then, if they are delegating, it will update their delegate's vote data with the newly retracted votes.

The retracted amount is always the full delegated amount. For example, if Alice delegates 10 UNITS to Bob and then votes with 5 UNITS, the full 10 UNITS is still added as a clawback to Bob for that poll. This is both for simplicity and to ensure we don't make unnecessary assumptions about what Alice wants.

Because you need to add the clawback, a delegator's vote can affect a delegate's voting data. If a delegator's vote or delegation makes the delegate's voting data exceed [MaxVotes](https://github.com/paritytech/polkadot-sdk/blob/master/substrate/frame/conviction-voting/src/vote.rs#L206-L216), the transaction will fail. In practice, this means this new system is somewhere between the old and the ideal. However, this will incentivize delegates to stay on top of voting data clearance. And given our current referenda rates and MaxVotes set to [512](https://github.com/polkadot-fellows/runtimes/blob/main/relay/polkadot/src/governance/mod.rs#L43), it would be difficult to hit this limit.

A new error is to be introduced that signals MaxVotes was reached specifically for the delegate's voting data.

### Locked Balance

A user's locked balance will be the greater of the delegation lock and the voting lock.

### Migrations

A runtime migration is necessary, though simple considering voting and delegation are currently separate.
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I think that the RFC is missing a detailed explanation on how the migration from the old to the new system would take place.

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Fair 👍 I've updated this section. The migration itself is fairly simple, so still not a lot to say about it, but let me know if the new version is not detailed/clear enough.


## Drawbacks

There are two potential drawbacks to this system -

### An unbounded rate of change of the voter preferences function

If implemented, there will be no friction in delegating, undelegating, and voting. Therefore, there could be large and immediate shifts in the voter preferences function. In other voting systems we see bounds added to the rate of change (voting cycles, etc). That said, it is unclear whether this is desired or advantageous. Additionally, there are more easily parameterized and analytically tractable ways to handle this than what we currently have. See future directions.

### Lessened value in becoming a delegate

If a delegate's voting power can be stripped from them at any point, then there is necessarily a reduction in their power within the system. This provides less incentive to become a delegate. But again, there are more customizable ways to handle this if it proves necessary.

## Testing, Security, and Privacy

This change would mean a more complicated STF for voting, which would increase difficulty of hardening. Though sufficient unit testing should handle this with ease.

## Performance, Ergonomics, and Compatibility

### Performance

The proposed changes would increase both the compute and storage requirements by about 2x for all voting functions. No change in complexity.

### Ergonomics

Voting and delegation will both become more ergonomic for users, as there are no longer hard constraints affecting what you can do and when you can do it.

### Compatibility

Runtime developers will need to add the migration and ensure their hooks still work.

App developers will need to update their user interfaces to accommodate the new functionality. They will need to handle the new error as well.

## Prior Art and References

A current WIP implementation can be found [here](https://github.com/PolkadotDom/polkadot-sdk/tree/dom/vote-while-delegating/substrate/frame/conviction-voting/src). While WIP, it is STF complete & heavily commented for ease of understanding.

## Unresolved Questions

None

## Future Directions and Related Material

It is possible we would like to add a system parameter for the rate of change of the voting/delegation system. This could prevent wild swings in the voter preferences function and motivate/shield delegates by solidifying their positions over some amount of time. However, it's unclear that this would be valuable or even desirable.