MSC2270: Proposal for Ignoring Invites #2270

ara4n · 2019-08-31T15:02:42Z

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ara4n · 2019-08-31T15:07:23Z

@mscbot fcp merge

mscbot · 2019-08-31T15:07:26Z

This FCP proposal has been cancelled by #2270 (comment).

Team member @mscbot has proposed to merge this. The next step is review by the rest of the tagged people:

Concerns:

Unclear on semantics. (MSC2270: Proposal for Ignoring Invites #2270 (comment))
Unclear on what the proposal is. (MSC2270: Proposal for Ignoring Invites #2270 (comment))

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aaronraimist · 2019-08-31T17:04:46Z

It would probably be nice to have this but I'd rather make the ignore function itself more granular. That way you could choose to hide all invites from a user but see messages (or muffle messages) or the opposite.

See my thoughts earlier in https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1803

ara4n · 2019-08-31T17:14:01Z

mm, i'd missed the muffling user idea. i don't think it's incompatible with this, though - just need to make sure that an object is handed to the user (or room) rather than just a blunt true/false...

turt2live · 2019-09-05T21:30:14Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

+Currently we support ignoring users by maintaining an `m.ignored_user_list` event in
+account_data, as per https://matrix.org/docs/spec/client_server/r0.5.0#id189.
+
+We could do also silently ignore rooms (including invites) with an equivalent


The language here suggests that this is an alternative solution and not the proposal, which I don't believe is the intent?

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We could do also silently ignore rooms (including invites) with an equivalent

We could do also silently ignore rooms (including invites) with an equivalent

turt2live · 2019-09-05T21:32:21Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

+but this will then ignore all activity from that user, which may not be
+desirable.
+
+## Solution


Unclear on semantics:

Should the server mark the room as left down sync?

What should the client do? (obviously hide the room, but that should be spelled out)

What should the client do when it sees the account data update? (see above)

What happens when the user un-ignores a room?

please state what the client should do if membership != invite for a room in the list as above

turt2live · 2019-09-05T21:32:34Z

@mscbot concern Unclear on what the proposal is.
@mscbot concern Unclear on semantics.

uhoreg · 2019-09-11T21:38:49Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

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+# Proposal for ignoring invites


This proposal sounds more like ignoring rooms rather than ignoring invites, and I guess could be used as a way to prevent being hotel-california-ed in a room. (Ignore the room, and then even if the server thinks you're in the room, it won't send you any events from it.)

It feels like there is potential for more damage to be caused by ignoring a join vs an invite, just because there is an expectation on the remote side that you are actually present.

I can see users easily confusing themselves with thinking they have left because the room no longer shows up, because they hit some friendly looking button. Not to mention the bridge consequences for not leaving cleanly..

This proposal should not be considered anything close to a fix/workaround for people being stuck in rooms.

Half-Shot · 2019-09-12T01:10:58Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

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+# Proposal for ignoring invites


It feels like there is potential for more damage to be caused by ignoring a join vs an invite, just because there is an expectation on the remote side that you are actually present.

I can see users easily confusing themselves with thinking they have left because the room no longer shows up, because they hit some friendly looking button. Not to mention the bridge consequences for not leaving cleanly..

This proposal should not be considered anything close to a fix/workaround for people being stuck in rooms.

Half-Shot · 2019-09-12T01:12:19Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

+but this will then ignore all activity from that user, which may not be
+desirable.
+
+## Solution


please state what the client should do if membership != invite for a room in the list as above

anoadragon453 · 2020-10-02T15:50:31Z

Cancelling FCP proposal as this MSC lacks an implementation.

@mscbot fcp cancel

ara4n · 2021-09-24T16:04:22Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

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+# Proposal for ignoring invites


I thought a bunch more about this a few months ago, and realised that the problem of "ignore this invite" or "ignore this room" or even "ignore this user" could be handled much more generically and powerfully via antiabuse tooling rather than continuing to bolt adhoc APIs onto the matrix spec like the one proposed here (complete with the many limitations it has which are listed below).

In other words, the user could publish a "i don't like this room" to their personal MSC #2313 reputation list, and then their server subscribed to that list using something like Mjolnir's https://github.com/t2bot/synapse-simple-antispam can go and pick it up and block the undesired content for them. This can then trivially extend to empowering the user to filter out any content for any reason, and we have most of the building blocks already. Right now they using custom APIs, but we can start there and then MSC them later as a more generic thing rather than bolting on stuff like m.ignored_room_list.

cc @Yoric thoughts?

Johennes · 2024-10-02T08:20:28Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

+
+ * We're limited to ~65KB worth of room IDs (although we could change the
+   limits for account_data 'events', given they're more freeform JSON than
+   events)


It looks like this limit is already only enforced on room and state events but not account data.

turt2live · 2025-05-29T20:41:05Z

proposals/2270-ignore-invites.md

Overall: Based on #4192, I feel as though this MSC would be best positioned as an extension to #4155 rather than being a dedicated mechanism.

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Ability to ignore invites element-hq/element-meta#824

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Invite spam harassment counter measures element-hq/element-meta#2486

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Ability to ignore individual messages. matrix-org/matrix-spec#1981

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MSC4294: Ignore and mass ignore invites #4294

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