[Coding Guidelines] Add meeting minutes 2024-12-04 (#117)

* [Coding Guidelines] Meeting minutes 2024-12-04
* Clarify source of safe keyword change

Author: vapdrs

subcommittee/coding-guidelines/meetings/2024-December-04/minutes.md

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 2. Open a discussion on timelines/milestones for goals (Pete LeVasseur)
 3. `unsafe` Practicum Chapter Task Force - progress report (Pete LeVasseur)
 4. `unsafe` Docs Review Task Force - progress report (Pete LeVasseur)
-5. MISRA + Rust (Alex Celeste)
-6. Round table
+5. Round table
 
 Supplemental material to the agenda can be found on the [GitHub repo](https://github.com/rustfoundation/safety-critical-rust-consortium/tree/main/subcommittee/coding-guidelines).
 
 ## Check-in area
 
 **Please add your name, and an emoji that describes your day.**
 
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+* Pete LeVasseur, ✌️
+* Joel Marcey, 🥱
+* Kyle Heins,  🥱
+* Andrew Fernandes 🥱☕️
+* Joni Pelham 😣
+* Marc Schoolderman 🎅
+* Alexandru Vochescu 🥱
+* Dillon McEwan 😴
+* Jordan McQueen 😴🗻❄️
+* Jonas Wolf 😀
+* Joe Johnson 😴
+* Vincent Eckert 😃
+* Douglas Deslauriers 😀
+* Arthur Hicken 😀🔦🔬
+* Nadhmi JAZI  😀
+* Christof Petig 🎅
+* Walter Pearce 🤘
+* Enow Scott 😀
+* Wayne Chang 🎅
+* Munawar Hafiz 🙂
+* Oreste Bernardi
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 **Notetaker:**
 
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+* Douglas Deslauriers
 
 ## Housekeeping section, please add
 
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 ## Tasks
 
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+* [PL](mailto:plevasseur@gmail.com): Create a set of milestones for progress moving forward
 
 ## Meeting Minutes:
 
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+* JW: Motion to accept the previous minutes
+* Meeting minutes were accepted unanimously
+
+### Timelines and Milestones for Goals
+
+* PL: Two task forces have been proposed, one for creation, one for review. More details on Zulip
+* DD: Would the two task forces meet outside of these meetings?
+* PL: That is possible
+* PL: Proposal: First step for Practicum group is to create some prose for safe
+  use of unsafe to accompany [the examples](https://github.com/rustfoundation/safety-critical-rust-consortium/blob/main/subcommittee/coding-guidelines/initiatives/safe-use-of-unsafe-guidelines/unsafe-example-usage.md)
+* JM: Wants to add prose to the examples
+* AF: Would like to help add prose, but time constrained
+* JJ: Would also like to help. Wonders whether the standard/core library or both unsafe behaviour would be covered in the document?
+* PL: The idea would be to target both audiences that use standard library and not
+* CP: [Embassy](https://github.com/embassy-rs/embassy) would be a good example of unsafe usage
+* AF: There are many patterns in the C world that are accepted, and giving people design patterns would be useful to help the transition
+* JM: In response to the previous Practicum group proposal, agreed good first steps.
+* PL: Proposal for document review task group, to review the [Rust unsafe code
+  guidelines](https://github.com/rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines)
+* DD: Agreed, would be beneficial
+* It was suggested that multiple people should review the guidelines
+
+### Practicum Chapter Task Force Progress
+
+* JM: Mostly looking where to start, and perhaps annotating the examples as suggested earlier
+* JM: Would the idea to be supplement the Learn Unsafe Rust book with coding guidelines
+* PL: Spoke to an author the book and was open to contributions and may even be able to transfer ownership to the Rust Foundation
+* JJ: The book has a good starting framework
+
+### Docs Review Task Force Progress
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+* PL: Mostly review the unsafe code guidelines glossary
+
+### Round Table
+
+* WC: Interested in supply chain security of rust packages?
+* JM: This may be more relevant to the Tooling committee
+* AF: This may be out of scope, but is certainly would be looked at from a regulatory perspective
+* DD: The largest extent that of the coding guidelines would be tell users to have the coding guidelines apply to used packages as well
+* WP: Google has [Rust crate audits](https://github.com/google/rust-crate-audits), using [Cargo Vet](https://github.com/mozilla/cargo-vet)
+
+---
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+* OB: Wanted to determine what unsafe/undefined behaviour is in reference to the hardware
+* PL: There is a section on undefined behaviour in the Learn Unsafe Rust book
+* OB: Can share document on safety in the scope of low level driver
+
+---
+
+* AH: Is the meeting going to be in January?
+* JM: It will be nearby to Rust Nation in February, on the 19th
+* PL: Would the venue be outside of Rust Nation?
+* JM: **It would be outside of the venue, and would not require tickets to Rust Nation**
+* JM: About 20 people have responded to the poll as going face to face
+
+---
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+* JP: Different levels of assurance for different guidelines may be useful
+* AF: The definition of unsafe, means that the code will be unproven
+* JP: It should be clear in the guidelines that some unsafe should be used
+* JM: We should have specific recommendations with what to do with unsafe code
+* JJ: We shouldn’t just focus on the unsafe keyword
+* AF: Deadlocks and checked/unchecked arithmetic are examples of stuff outside of this
+* WP: Would this committee want to bless Cargo Vet or create recommendations for crates?
+* PL: Getting involved with Cargo Vet is a good idea
+* PL: Niko expressed a [thought](https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3484#issuecomment-2039501484) to change the safe keyword to trusted in Rust 2027
+* JW: Addressing the unsafe keyword first is good idea until different certifications are published
+* DD: Different levels of assurance could be addressed by annotating guidelines with levels of severity
+* PL: It does make sense to categorize how unsafe each example and pattern would be
+
+---
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+* OB: In MISRA, there is emphasis on making code easy to read and understand. It would be a good idea to get an idea of common misunderstandings and propose guidelines that address them, even if the itself isn’t exactly necessarily unsafe.
+* OB: Should we address these misunderstandings and create guidelines to avoid them?
+* PL: Computers execute the code, but humans read it. Indeed we want to put out code review guidelines for unsafe
+
+### Adjournment
 
 ## Material
 
 Any material to read before the meeting should be included here.
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