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2018-09-18 20:03:19 ~japaric ok, let's start the meeting with issues 5 and 6
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2018-09-18 20:03:44 ~japaric jamesmunns: what's the status of PR 15? Is there anything blocking it? Or is just waiting for review?
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2018-09-18 20:04:20 jamesmunns waiting for me to finish cleaning up the type-state stuff
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2018-09-18 20:04:42 jamesmunns I will break off the peripheral stuff, get it mergeable, then open a separate PR for that, so we can get it mostly merged
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2018-09-18 20:04:54 jamesmunns (for that == type state part)
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2018-09-18 20:05:33 @ryankurte i uhh. dropbox will only let me type backwards, idk.
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2018-09-18 20:05:48 jamesmunns (welcome etruknayr!)
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2018-09-18 20:06:04 ~japaric jamesmunns: ok, thanks for the update
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2018-09-18 20:06:09 @ryankurte the cursor seems super broken. but, here.
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2018-09-18 20:06:57 ~japaric let's now cover issues 1 and 2
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2018-09-18 20:07:12 ~japaric https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/20 updates the first two chapters
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2018-09-18 20:07:33 ~japaric that PR has had a few rounds of review but I think it should be ready to land now
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2018-09-18 20:08:20 ~japaric I think we are waiting for thejpster to check it again and the we can r+ it
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2018-09-18 20:08:34 @adamgreig just got here, sorry for lateness
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2018-09-18 20:08:54 @therealprof +1
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2018-09-18 20:09:31 ~japaric after that I think the chapter 1 and 2 will be in good shape for newcomers to follow though chapter 2 is not yet complete
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2018-09-18 20:09:57 @therealprof Yep, coming along nicely.
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2018-09-18 20:10:11 ~japaric I asked if cargo-generate will become a built-in subcommand in time for the edition
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2018-09-18 20:10:38 ~japaric the answer was that it will require an approved RFC so it's very unlikely that'll make it the cut for the edition (~5 weeks)
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2018-09-18 20:11:11 @adamgreig that's a bit of a pain given installing cargo-generate is not completely trivial, but i guess not much to be done about it
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2018-09-18 20:11:29 ~japaric related to that, the Cargo team approved turning cargo-add into a built-in command; it someone gets the job done in ~5 weeks it'll be part of the edition release
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2018-09-18 20:12:22 ~japaric adamgreig: yep, all templating solutions that use git or fetch url require openssl, which makes them hard to install
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2018-09-18 20:12:58 ~japaric ok, I think that's it for issues 1 and 2
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2018-09-18 20:13:13 ~japaric issue 3 saw no change since last week but it's in good shape so we can skip it
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2018-09-18 20:13:33 ~japaric adamgreig: any news on the concurrency stuff (issue 4)?
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2018-09-18 20:14:10 @adamgreig i made a rough start but nothing to show yet, sorry
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2018-09-18 20:14:41 ~japaric adamgreig: that's ok; just checking
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2018-09-18 20:14:43 Lumpio- Issue 4 on which repo, I'm curious
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2018-09-18 20:14:52 ~japaric Lumpio-: issue 4 in the dropbox list
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2018-09-18 20:14:57 Lumpio- ...oh, heh
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2018-09-18 20:15:31 @adamgreig but yea it's on my doing list and hopefully have more to say soonish
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2018-09-18 20:15:47 ~japaric adamgreig: +1
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2018-09-18 20:16:33 ~japaric ok, next issue 7 adamgreig and korken89 were going to work on it
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2018-09-18 20:16:46 ~japaric korken89 is not around
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2018-09-18 20:17:20 ~japaric and I assume that since adamgreig was working on the other item this hasn't seen much progress
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2018-09-18 20:17:41 jamesmunns (gotta run, will check logs later)
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2018-09-18 20:18:09 @adamgreig yes, I'd left tips for korken98 and integration has received a PR
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2018-09-18 20:18:16 ~japaric ok, next issue is integration with C codebases
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2018-09-18 20:18:26 ~japaric anyone had a chance to look at the PR?
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2018-09-18 20:18:44 @therealprof Oh, there's a PR? Missed that.
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2018-09-18 20:18:50 @adamgreig https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/23 (not from me)
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2018-09-18 20:18:54 @ryankurte I gave it a read, looks like a good start to me!
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2018-09-18 20:19:10 @adamgreig I had a quick read and it looks good, haven't left a review yet
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2018-09-18 20:19:29 ~japaric alright, it's good to know that's being reviewed
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2018-09-18 20:19:41 @therealprof Yeah, lots of comments.
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2018-09-18 20:20:10 @therealprof Well, some at least. ;)
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2018-09-18 20:20:36 ~japaric moving on, issue 9 is the book outline
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2018-09-18 20:20:50 ~japaric I just made a PR adding a FAQ to the book https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/25
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2018-09-18 20:20:56 ~japaric I'm not sure if it should go in the book
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2018-09-18 20:21:09 ~japaric but I'll be adding more miscellaneous topics to the book
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2018-09-18 20:21:20 ~japaric then we can decide how to sort them within the book
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2018-09-18 20:21:29 ~japaric or if we should move them in separate documents
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2018-09-18 20:21:33 @therealprof I like it. Will review later.
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2018-09-18 20:21:44 ~japaric e.g. the Rust FAQ is its own page
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2018-09-18 20:21:48 ~japaric rustdoc rendered iirc
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2018-09-18 20:22:10 ~japaric (rust FAQ: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/faq.html)
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2018-09-18 20:23:30 @adamgreig I can see the advantage of it being its own document
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2018-09-18 20:24:15 @ryankurte Yeah looks excellent! I think it's own document (maybe as part of the docs.r-e.o cluster of things?) sounds good.
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2018-09-18 20:24:51 ~japaric on a related note, I'll soon create a new repo for the docs landing page (like https://doc.rust-lang.org/)
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2018-09-18 20:25:26 ~japaric I'll set up CI (+ cron) to pull the latest version of the books and publish everything on GH pages
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2018-09-18 20:25:41 @adamgreig +1
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2018-09-18 20:25:43 @ryankurte +1
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2018-09-18 20:25:46 @therealprof +1
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2018-09-18 20:26:15 ~japaric if that goes well we can have that published on docs.rust-embedded.org
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2018-09-18 20:26:46 ~japaric ok, next issue is issue 10, the other book
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2018-09-18 20:26:57 ~japaric ryankurte: did you have a chance to work on it?
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2018-09-18 20:27:50 @ryankurte not yet! hopefully will have a chance on the plane next week.
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2018-09-18 20:29:10 ~japaric ryankurte: ok, it would be good to create issues for individual topics in the repo then other people might help writing them
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2018-09-18 20:29:31 @therealprof (y)
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2018-09-18 20:30:33 @ryankurte sounds good, will split them out next I have some time.
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2018-09-18 20:30:44 ~japaric ryankurte: +1
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2018-09-18 20:30:53 ~japaric next issue is the embedded Rust showcase (#11)
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2018-09-18 20:31:30 ~japaric I guess everyone is already busy with something else to work on this
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2018-09-18 20:31:51 @adamgreig I wonder if we can low-effort start collecting a list of potential projects on the issue tracker or something
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2018-09-18 20:32:00 @therealprof +1
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2018-09-18 20:32:30 ~japaric do we even have a repo for this?
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2018-09-18 20:32:32 * japaric checks
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2018-09-18 20:32:49 ~japaric I guess not
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2018-09-18 20:32:52 @adamgreig I don't think so
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2018-09-18 20:32:56 @adamgreig just the original issue
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2018-09-18 20:33:12 ~japaric I'll create a repo and assign the resources team to it
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2018-09-18 20:33:20 @adamgreig +1
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2018-09-18 20:33:32 @therealprof I've a couple of ideas already. Need a reminder to nudge people whether they'd like to make an appearance.
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2018-09-18 20:33:34 @adamgreig issue #1 can be collecting potential projects then
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2018-09-18 20:33:45 @therealprof +1
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2018-09-18 20:33:45 ~japaric if someone else wants access to the repo let me know
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2018-09-18 20:33:49 ~japaric adamgreig: +1
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2018-09-18 20:34:57 ~japaric ok, let's see how that works out during the week
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2018-09-18 20:35:22 ~japaric issue 12 is about testing cortex-m code as part of rust-lang/rust CI
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2018-09-18 20:35:30 ~japaric there's a PR up https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/53996 which I'm reviewing
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2018-09-18 20:36:08 ~japaric the PR is testing compilation, linking and running the program on QEMU
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2018-09-18 20:36:26 ~japaric it's looking good; I hope we can land it soon-ish
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2018-09-18 20:36:54 ~japaric next up, issue 13 is about updating the discovery to use the 2018 edition
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2018-09-18 20:37:07 ~japaric the PR is up https://github.com/rust-embedded/discovery/pull/114
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2018-09-18 20:37:23 ~japaric it's waiting for an extra review
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2018-09-18 20:37:53 ~japaric if no one gets to it this week I think I'll just land it and let the users tests (yay, testing in production)
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2018-09-18 20:38:31 @therealprof That's fine for me. Second opinion was just a suggestion. ;)
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2018-09-18 20:38:43 ~japaric :-)
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2018-09-18 20:39:07 ~japaric issues 14 and 15 are about fixing reported issues in the embedonomicon
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2018-09-18 20:39:18 ~japaric there's also a PR up https://github.com/rust-embedded/embedonomicon/pull/20
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2018-09-18 20:39:27 ~japaric which is wating for review
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2018-09-18 20:39:44 ~japaric though, I think theJPster just approved it
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2018-09-18 20:39:55 @therealprof Yep.
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2018-09-18 20:40:00 @theJPster :)
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2018-09-18 20:40:06 ~japaric theJPster: +1
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2018-09-18 20:40:26 @therealprof lldb is such a sad story…
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2018-09-18 20:40:40 ~japaric therealprof: :-( I tried
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2018-09-18 20:41:03 @therealprof Yeah, there's little we can do about it.
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2018-09-18 20:41:27 ~japaric next issue, 16, is about using cargo-generate for the templates
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2018-09-18 20:41:37 ~japaric cortex-m-quickstart already moved to that format
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2018-09-18 20:42:17 ~japaric and as that's our only public facing template for the edition I have removed the issue from the 2018 milestone
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2018-09-18 20:43:45 ~japaric so that issue is done
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2018-09-18 20:43:54 ~japaric issues 17 and 18 are about the domains
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2018-09-18 20:43:58 ~japaric the DNS infra work got done
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2018-09-18 20:44:05 ~japaric but there are some problems with the domains
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2018-09-18 20:44:14 ~japaric which I have reported in https://github.com/nastevens/rust-embedded-provisioning/issues/2
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2018-09-18 20:44:30 ~japaric ryankurte: ^
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2018-09-18 20:44:41 @ryankurte yeah, i've just seen that issue, will follow up.
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2018-09-18 20:45:02 ~japaric but there's also a proposal to have everything under docs.rust-embedded.org -- see https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/208
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2018-09-18 20:45:04 @ryankurte I guess this'll all be superseded by the docs. config in the near future anyway?
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2018-09-18 20:45:08 @ryankurte ^^
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2018-09-18 20:45:21 ~japaric ryankurte: yeah, moving to docs would probably fix the issue
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2018-09-18 20:46:15 ~japaric so I'm going to track the docs issue in the dropbox instead of the other two dns issues
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2018-09-18 20:46:26 @ryankurte afaik someone was personally hosting the book previously? I think that's where we've gone wrong.
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2018-09-18 20:46:27 @ryankurte https://github.com/nastevens/rust-embedded-provisioning/blob/3988d0c630b884477c9c078af6b86276aef728f6/route53.tf#L36
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2018-09-18 20:46:39 @ryankurte (not that this needs to be discussed here/now)
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2018-09-18 20:47:36 ~japaric ryankurte: (yeah, I believe the docs were being hosted on jamesmunns' domain)
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2018-09-18 20:47:40 @adamgreig yes, that looks like the problem (the a record is digitalocean and not github)
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2018-09-18 20:48:01 ~japaric s/domain/server/
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2018-09-18 20:48:19 @ryankurte right, given that I'll update the issue and we can deal with it along with the docs. changes.
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2018-09-18 20:48:40 ~japaric finally, there's another issue that wasn't in the dropbox
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2018-09-18 20:49:17 ~japaric which is finalizing the contents of the embedded web page on the new rust website
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2018-09-18 20:49:36 ~japaric that is https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/131
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2018-09-18 20:50:19 @adamgreig is the provisional content available anywhere?
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2018-09-18 20:50:22 ~japaric I have been punting this but we have to work on this with the website team to finish this in the next few weeks
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2018-09-18 20:50:27 ~japaric adamgreig: there's a PR
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2018-09-18 20:50:44 ~japaric https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/pull/132
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2018-09-18 20:51:18 ~japaric jamesmunns and I have access to the website repository and we'll work with the website team on this
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2018-09-18 20:51:48 @therealprof So many TODOs in that PR.
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2018-09-18 20:51:49 ~japaric but if someone else wants to help let me know and I'll give you access to the repo; we'll probably need more help to get this done in time
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2018-09-18 20:53:44 ~japaric with that the triage is over
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2018-09-18 20:53:58 ~japaric if someone wants to share some news the floor is open
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2018-09-18 20:54:30 @therealprof How can we proceed with the #[interrupt] macro?
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2018-09-18 20:54:53 @therealprof I think it's important that we land (and document) this.
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2018-09-18 20:55:20 @adamgreig I think that just needs another +1 or two and we can merge?
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2018-09-18 20:55:26 ~japaric therealprof: well, landing it needs a majority of approvals
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2018-09-18 20:55:27 @theJPster I was at Retro Computer Festival last weekend. It was brilliant and I highly recommend it. Lots of interest in Monotron and Embedded Rust.
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2018-09-18 20:55:29 @adamgreig well, and the corresponding svd2rust
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2018-09-18 20:55:43 ~japaric documenting it needs volunteers :-)
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2018-09-18 20:55:44 @adamgreig #[ramfunc] is badly stalled though I think
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2018-09-18 20:55:46 @theJPster I have 1,000 printed A6 "Embedded Rust" postcards, with all the URLs on the reverse. Let me know if you want some.
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2018-09-18 20:56:21 @therealprof theJPster: You're really going all in it seems. :-D
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2018-09-18 20:56:28 @theJPster also, I ported Tiny BASIC to the Monotron. It loads into RAM, and the Rust menu code calls the Tiny BASIC C code which calls the Rust framebuffer code.
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2018-09-18 20:56:44 @theJPster Vistaprint really know how to nudge you up a couple of levels on the order
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2018-09-18 20:56:51 @adamgreig haha
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2018-09-18 20:56:57 @adamgreig "an extra £2 to print ten times as many!!"
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2018-09-18 20:57:07 * adamgreig looks at stacks of business cards...
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2018-09-18 20:57:23 Lumpio- No surprise the setup cost is most of the cost for (relatively) small batches 8)
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2018-09-18 20:57:48 @theJPster Well, they're here. I made a T-shirt too.
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2018-09-18 20:57:51 @therealprof japaric: I'd be happy to document it. It really makes the story whole for me.
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2018-09-18 20:58:15 @theJPster But I'm not taking orders for that. If you want one, just upload the Rust Embedded PNG to your favourite on-line T-shirt vendor.
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2018-09-18 20:58:52 ~japaric theJPster: before I forget, this PR is waiting for your re-review https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/20
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2018-09-18 20:58:54 @ryankurte hmm, could chuck them on redbubble to make it easy for people?
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2018-09-18 20:59:12 @ryankurte but maybe uploading an image is easy enough.
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2018-09-18 20:59:31 ~japaric theJPster: your last review was "requested changes" and I think we can't bors r+ it unless it's removed or changed
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2018-09-18 21:00:03 @therealprof Any planned attendance for the next conferences?
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2018-09-18 21:00:41 hannobraun therealprof: I'll be at RustFest Rome
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2018-09-18 21:00:52 @theJPster I'll be at Rust Belt Rust
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2018-09-18 21:00:54 hannobraun Snatched up the last ticket of the first batch today :)
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2018-09-18 21:01:00 @theJPster japaric, ah sorry. That doesn't come up in my mailfilter
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2018-09-18 21:01:00 ~japaric therealprof: that reminds me that I want to open an issue to see who'll be attending RustFest rome
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2018-09-18 21:01:36 ~japaric if there's enough WG members we can sit down and plan what we want to do next year
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2018-09-18 21:02:14 @therealprof There's a lot of stuff for me to do around that time but I'll see whether I can make it.
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2018-09-18 21:02:30 @therealprof … if I manage to snatch a ticket that is. ;)
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2018-09-18 21:02:54 ~japaric ok, that's it for this meeting. Thank you all for attending and see you next week!

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