Concordance (Cnc) translation #71
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@Gomirato, @andy5489, @DeadalusNF, @ferrarantonio Cnc_RC_I.jwpub.zip |
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Superlative! Thank you |
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I guess that means my "translation" is OK? :-) Do you think you could help with the lists in the spreadsheet above? |
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Hello, @erykjj 👋 |
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Again, thank you for your willingness to help :-) The strings are in the spreadsheet in the first post. There are multiple sheets/tabs. However, we may have some "challenges" with Polish inflections of the names/nouns. Before you get started, I need to think about how to handle this. Open to suggestions. For example, in English, I count all instances of "Jesus" - there are no variations. But in Polish, you would have "Jezus", "Jezusa", "Jezusem", etc., right? If you don't count all the inflections, then the relative frequencies are all off. So, one would have to include all inflections as one term. So, we could either list all the inflections for every term (tedious), or (if there is some regular pattern that applies to every term, do something like (using the example from above): "Jezus", "-a", "-em", etc. 🤔 |
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OK, we would have to do the inflections for every term, like this: |
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@doulos-achreios |
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Thanks in return😀
Yes, I found the spreadsheet and made my best. Pls find it attached. Also,
having failed to find framework terms, I added a sheet with suggested
framework names😊
Pertaining inflections, *all forms counted as one* is the nearest to the
idea of showing a difference in prevalence rates. To show each form means
to create chaos IMHO. BTW, names of lowest prevalence are shown with font
size so tiny, hardly legible...
Maybe I didn't catch precisely, but in the very concordance inflection
forms are already present, so this may be as is.
One remark concerning name "Judas". In Polish, there are 2 forms: "Judasz"
applying to Iscariot only, and "Judas" otherwise (another apostle Joh
14:22, Jesus' brother Mt 13:55 etc).
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sob., 10 maj 2025 o 23:40 Eryk J. ***@***.***> napisał(a):
… Again, thank you for your willingness to help :-)
The strings are in the spreadsheet in the first post
<#71 (comment)>.
There are multiple sheets/tabs.
However, we may have some "challenges" with Polish inflections of the
names/nouns.
Before you get started, I need to think about how to handle this. Open to
suggestions. For example, in English, I count all instances of "Jesus" -
there are no variations. But in Polish, you would have "Jezus", "Jezusa",
"Jezusem", etc., right? If you don't count all the inflections, then the
relative frequencies are all off. So, one would have to include all
inflections as one term.
So, we could either list all the inflections for every term (tedious), or
(if there is some regular pattern that applies to *every* term, do
something like (using the example from above): "Jezus", "-a", "-em", etc.
🤔
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Good catch. Thanks! |
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Try this: |
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It works!👏 ‚Judasz’ ok😂 |
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I think this is "self-explanatory". Is the text size better or the same as the first? |
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For us both, yes😀 For a few users might prove puzzling, that’s why I thought one sentence of explanation makes all clear. The author bears the burden of decision doubtlessly👉
Frankly, no difference. So let’s leave it. The main goal reached |
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Appendix Dodatki |
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It’s better to render it by: Tłumaczenie |
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Alas, worse! „Ewa” „Szczepan” =illegible for microscopic size
W dniu niedz., 11 maj 2025 o 02:03 Eryk J. ***@***.***>
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… Please check this over:
Cnc_RC_P.jwpub.zip
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just remove the .zip
Is the minimum size any better?
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OK. I'll tweak something else a bit, but I can't do too much. |
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Yes, let’s do it to make the samples’ part reflect real prevalence of
entries. (As I mentioned, it’s still pertaining to _*words*_, not
necessarily persons). Alas, it was impossible to use templates and I had to
dig through every entry manually, additionally comparing with the
concordance main wordlist to avoid unnecessary placement of forms with no
occurrences. I think I’ll finish it today (having a lot of main activities
lately, I could sit for translation part time only🤷♂️)
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W dniu wt., 20 maj 2025 o 23:31 Eryk J. ***@***.***>
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Do you feel it worthwhile doing the inflections, or should we leave it as
is with just the main/root words?
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The hyphen: I use a non-breaking hyphen in the concordance; your declensions had a regular hyphen :-) Fixed. |
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All's well!!! The editor can release official version:-) As for hyphens, I'm profane concerning this stuff... |
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It has been accomplished: https://github.com/erykjj/jwpublib/releases/tag/Cnc_5.2 Thank you so very much for your keen eye!! |
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The results are impressive👏 Still, the discussion not being closed, remarks will amass for the future releases, right?
That was a brilliant idea, as bringing more transparency. So…maybe do the same to „Hiddekel” as a variant (precisely: hebr. form) of „Tigris” (same in _E & _P)🙂 |
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True. Keep 'em coming :-) |
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Hooray!!
Thanks a lot, reciprocally — for your patience and unconquered
determination to accomplish it👏👏👏
W dniu sob., 24 maj 2025 o 17:13 Eryk J. ***@***.***>
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… It has been accomplished:
https://github.com/erykjj/jwpublib/releases/tag/Cnc_5.2
Thank you so very much for your keen eye!!
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Hello @erykjj …a quick remark. |
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I mean the main samples’ list (Famous persons, Gods, etc.) |
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🤦🏻♂️ doh! |
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Fixed in v5.3 |
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@erykjj, |
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I send you a RC version. You will notice that many are missing (eg., in the "Gods" category). The reason is that they have not been translated (or not according to the way they are translated in the recent NWT). I send you the current lists so that you can correct/finish them, please: |
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@erykjj Note that the words "jews" and "judeans" in Italian are translated in the same way and that is "giudei". |
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@erykjj |
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Examples, incomplete samples - for comparison - just ideas for further research based on the concordance |
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Other than that, good for release? Have you checked that none are missing compared to the English? |
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@erykjj |
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Done: https://github.com/erykjj/jwpublib/releases/tag/Cnc_5.3 |
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Hello bro @erykjj Notes: "Saul" is translated as "Saul" when referring to the king, but as "Saulo" when referring to the apostle. We use only three variations of the name "Moloch". "Judeans" is translated as "de Judá" or "da Judeia" in the NWT. |
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Thank you, @BokuWaRamirezDa !! I have removed "Judeans" from the list altogether - not really a nations; more like a group from a region. Please check: |
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Looks great! |
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Other than that, good to go? |
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Yeap, good 😁👍 |
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Released: https://github.com/erykjj/jwpublib/releases/tag/Cnc_6.0 |
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Please let me know here if you can offer your help with translation on this project.
Here are the strings:
Cnc_translation.xlsx
All variants/declensions should be separated by a semi-colon (see entry for ABRAHAM).
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