Tours built in

[PeteDuncanson]

Should have a custom tour that shows you around and walks you through/encourages you to add a property to an existing doctype, edit the template to render it and then preview it etc. for all the main things you might want to do. Been an obvious quick win for years but never seems to have been done.

[melvinvanrookhuizen]

For me the tours are a tool aimed at the end usr, the editor. Umbrqco should come wit a full set of tours for editors.(willing to contribute)

[PeteDuncanson]

Absolutely, when you go to edit the content in the starter kit it can walk you through that. Bigger question though...what is the starter kit for? Spinning up a real site you can build on or a quick way to show you what you “could do” and how best to do it? Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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________________________________ From: Melvin van Rookhuizen <notifications@github.com> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:49:17 AM To: TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit <Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com> Cc: Pete Duncanson <Pete@offroadcode.com>; Author <author@noreply.github.com> Subject: Re: [TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit] Tours built in (#21) For me the tours are a tool aimed at the end usr, the editor. Umbrqco should come wit a full set of tours for editors.(willing to contribute) — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAMY2XWRM4SKQBB2DBWWG4DSHQOM3ANCNFSM4RYDCUIA>.

[melvinvanrookhuizen]

That is a good question indeed. It touches on a bigger problem that has been there for a long time. What part of communication and documentation is pointed at the end-user and waht part to developers. This also goes for the starterkit. Now most of the default content and documentation is aimed at developers. I think there should be completely different sets. A demo starterkit for end users (content managers), with the available documentation for editors setup in Tours. With the dashboard filled with content aimed at that group of users and not aimed at developers. And same goes for Umbraco TV, there are no official sets for the end users about umbraco basics. Melvin van Rookhuizen <https://nl.linkedin.com/in/joycedatema>https://nl.linkedin.com/in/melvinvanrookhuizen 06-15909546 [1479189872460_handtekening] Maliebaan 24-26 3581CB Utrecht www.zaaks.nl<http://www.zaaks.nl> 030-2769146

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________________________________ Van: Pete Duncanson <notifications@github.com> Verzonden: vrijdag 25 september 2020 13:01 Aan: TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit <Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com> CC: Melvin van Rookhuizen <melvin@zaaks.nl>; Comment <comment@noreply.github.com> Onderwerp: Re: [TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit] Tours built in (#21) Absolutely, when you go to edit the content in the starter kit it can walk you through that. Bigger question though...what is the starter kit for? Spinning up a real site you can build on or a quick way to show you what you “could do” and how best to do it? Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

________________________________ From: Melvin van Rookhuizen <notifications@github.com> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:49:17 AM To: TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit <Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com> Cc: Pete Duncanson <Pete@offroadcode.com>; Author <author@noreply.github.com> Subject: Re: [TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit] Tours built in (#21) For me the tours are a tool aimed at the end usr, the editor. Umbrqco should come wit a full set of tours for editors.(willing to contribute) — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAMY2XWRM4SKQBB2DBWWG4DSHQOM3ANCNFSM4RYDCUIA>. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABKBPTCYCEWCDALSOII3VTTSHRZ7NANCNFSM4RYDCUIA>.

[PeteDuncanson]

Wow, we ended up at the deadend of “trying to fix the business rather than build a starter kit” real fast there! 😊 HQ should be trying to grow there business via their marketing department who should be chipping in on ideas like you raise but that takes time and effort and through put. I’d suggest focusing on the narrow window of what can be influenced rather than trying to over-reach and “fix all the things” because they are “totally broken™”. I would like to state that I agree with everything you raise, all very valid but also immoveable from this side of the wall. From: Melvin van Rookhuizen <notifications@github.com> Sent: 25 September 2020 13:07 To: TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit <Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com> Cc: Pete Duncanson <Pete@offroadcode.com>; Author <author@noreply.github.com> Subject: Re: [TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit] Tours built in (#21) That is a good question indeed. It touches on a bigger problem that has been there for a long time. What part of communication and documentation is pointed at the end-user and waht part to developers. This also goes for the starterkit. Now most of the default content and documentation is aimed at developers. I think there should be completely different sets. A demo starterkit for end users (content managers), with the available documentation for editors setup in Tours. With the dashboard filled with content aimed at that group of users and not aimed at developers. And same goes for Umbraco TV, there are no official sets for the end users about umbraco basics. Melvin van Rookhuizen <https://nl.linkedin.com/in/joycedatema>https://nl.linkedin.com/in/melvinvanrookhuizen 06-15909546 [1479189872460_handtekening] Maliebaan 24-26 3581CB Utrecht www.zaaks.nl<http://www.zaaks.nl<http://www.zaaks.nl%3chttp:/www.zaaks.nl>> 030-2769146

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________________________________ Van: Pete Duncanson <notifications@github.com<mailto:notifications@github.com>> Verzonden: vrijdag 25 september 2020 13:01 Aan: TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit <Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com<mailto:Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com>> CC: Melvin van Rookhuizen <melvin@zaaks.nl<mailto:melvin@zaaks.nl>>; Comment <comment@noreply.github.com<mailto:comment@noreply.github.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit] Tours built in (#21) Absolutely, when you go to edit the content in the starter kit it can walk you through that. Bigger question though...what is the starter kit for? Spinning up a real site you can build on or a quick way to show you what you “could do” and how best to do it? Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

________________________________ From: Melvin van Rookhuizen <notifications@github.com<mailto:notifications@github.com>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:49:17 AM To: TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit <Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com<mailto:Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit@noreply.github.com>> Cc: Pete Duncanson <Pete@offroadcode.com<mailto:Pete@offroadcode.com>>; Author <author@noreply.github.com<mailto:author@noreply.github.com>> Subject: Re: [TimGeyssens/Umbraco-v8-Community-Website-StarterKit] Tours built in (#21) For me the tours are a tool aimed at the end usr, the editor. Umbrqco should come wit a full set of tours for editors.(willing to contribute) — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAMY2XWRM4SKQBB2DBWWG4DSHQOM3ANCNFSM4RYDCUIA>. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABKBPTCYCEWCDALSOII3VTTSHRZ7NANCNFSM4RYDCUIA>. — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAMY2XXSUB53EEEYAFQDUNDSHSBW7ANCNFSM4RYDCUIA>.

[melvinvanrookhuizen]

Yes, I agreed. Its a bigger problem than you raise. (and a favourite of mine as you might notice ;-) )

Ok, uhm. Let's try and give the starterkit(s) more approriate names? So there will be 'Developer Starter Kits' and 'Demo starter kits?'' So innocent shy editors looking for een Umbraco demo or instruction dont get sucked into =obvously brilliant= code or tech mumbo jumbo ?

[melvinvanrookhuizen]

ow, to go back to your initial rquestion: yes, tours should be built in from the start as an encouragement for developers.

[TimGeyssens]

I think we should make a real site, showcasing the best practises... will it end up as a started site ... maybe ... but mainly for inspiration , ideas on the goal welcome here #8

[TimGeyssens]

but yeah tours would be nice, if they can also be dev orientated