Antarctic sea ice #12
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This bias has continued into more of the test runs. It's present in PI and historical runs and current tests (e.g. #40 or #45) modifying properties have not impacted it substantially and we do not believe it will be something we can fix with sea ice albedo tuning. There has been some seasonality shift in recent tests that we also do not understand well (e.g. #48 & #49). PCWG winter meeting discussed possibilities about what could be causing this showstopper bias. Slides about our investigation can be found here. ![]() The CESM3 WINTER sea ice is the problem, while summer looks okay. But winter ice area is way outside historical bounds as well as both the CESM1-LE and CESM2-LE. There is also no paleo evidence that we're aware of to suggest the ice has ever been this extensive. Other WG folks joined the discussion and we came up with the following ideas to test:
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@cecilehannay To start a nudging run, I'm wondering what tag it would be best to use? Perhaps there's a BLT1850 simulation of yours that I could clone? |
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I guess I'm inclined to start from a coupled simulation rather than a G-case. We know there's a lot of adjustment with the G-case initialization in general and so I think we should try nudging and see if that helps with an otherwise "balanced" fully coupled case in terms of the winds. Or at least if they lead to ice trending in the right direction. |
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I think it's not totally straightforward to conclude from the biases shown above what we need to be doing to fix the sea ice problem and whether it's an atmosphere problem, an ocean problem or a coupled problem. Here's a plot that's showing the zonal wind biases in DJF in the 130 BLT1850 case (used above) and then in the recent FLTHIST case that @cecilehannay ran from 2000-2009. While the FLTHIST case is a short run, the zonal wind biases relative to ERA5 are totally different in the FLTHIST case compared to the BLT1850 case. Since the FLTHIST case above is a short run, we can go back to an older generation, the 121 series and do the same comparison, and we see a similar thing: So, it's clear that the jet stream biases we have in a coupled 1850 case are not the same as the jet stream biases we get from the atmosphere alone when given prescribed observation-based SSTs. Part of this difference may be because of the different time periods. Here is a comparison of the 121 BHIST case in 2000-2009 which is the period used for the AMIP runs with the 1850 case. The biases in the winds in the Southern Ocean are reduced probably because the ozone whole and CO2 are driving a poleward shift of the westerlies. But the biases aren't gone. I'm not sure where this leaves us. I think it suggests (a) that the biases in the zonal wind relative to ERA5 are a coupled issue and not an atmosphere alone issue and (b) our biases are likely smaller than we would infer from looking at BLT1850 because the winds are changing over time. Here's the BLT1850 vs FLTHIST (2000-2009) comparison for the other seasons. |
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A suggestion from @adamrher was to check whether the zonal wind biases changed a lot between 091 and 092 (note the titles in the plots are wrong and say (191 and 192) when the ocean vertical coordinate changed. There does not seem to be a big difference between these two runs. ![]() ![]() |
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The Antarctic sea ice extent is too large in winter. This is for two historical runs (092 and 098b).
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